> Debate: Terrorism in Surah Tawbah

[salman]

^this is really hard to follow. bro, can you present in a nicer form?

[Acid]

^ Thats how it came from Alex. He changed the entire format to cover his deception which we shall soon see in my next post inshallah.

[Jew 4 Jesus]

"Thats how it came from Alex. He changed the entire format to cover his deception which we shall soon see in my next post inshallah."
Immediate violation of rule number 1.

Asad,

The debate between me and you is over. We shall go NO MORE further.
Thanks for your time and for the quite interesting debate we had. And if Salman wants to, he can delete my account, its my last messege here.

Regards,

Alex

[Acid]

Alex,

I did not forget anything when I said that in my post & I know the consequences. Read your Psalm and It will tell you " Thou came here but shall go no further". Your decption will be exposed and there will no room for 0.001% of your argument. No matter how so ever you try to twist it , it wouldnt give you a chance to argue for a second. That is why this debate has come to an end and you lost it. As you and readers shall soon see. Therefore It doesnt matter that If you reply or not because you have lost it.

Good luck Alex.

[salman]

^Is he running away because now it is his turn to defend his bible? I've to say it is a smart move.

[Acid]

No brother Salman , That is not the only reason , He is running away because now his long deception would be exposed. Notice how calmly he leaves but anyway this wouldnt stop me writing . Just one day and the true picture of this man would be known to all.

[Acid]

Hello everyone,

We have come up to a point where we will fully expose the reality of Alex. As the saying goes the wrong-doer leaves his signs somewhere in the end.

We had been following a consistent method of the debate and soon after Alex deception was unleashed and the fact that he is a man with no knowledge who is just arguing for the sake of arguing. The very fact which we shall see now will make it clear to the reader that Alex is already defeated and this debate has already come to an end.Alex suddenly changed his pattern of debate !

Originally Posted by Alex in previous post

Let's summarize what we're talking, as I will not be following the messy pattern that we're going through

As you can see that he "summarised" this post to cut off the part where he said that Muslims were the one who drove the pagans out of Makkah. He didnt made a single comment regarding that in his latest reply , which apparently made it clear for him that he

In in post before the latest one Alex made a grave twisting of fact acknowledging that he infact knows absolutely NOTHING Islam.

Originally Posted by Alex

Why did Mohammed not allow non-muslims to stay? Wasn't Mecca for pagans, initially?

So Alex said that Makkah was initially for the Pagans and Prophet Muhammad ( May Allah exalt him) drove them away. Any Muslim and Non-Muslim knows of the clear and un disputable fact that Muslims were persecuted in their very home town , Makkah and were forced to leave just because of proclaiming "There is No God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" . However Mr.Alex wasnt aware of these very basic facts and was aruging on a topic which was based on this very topic.

Having said that , then Mr.Alex put many derogatory sentences to make it appear that as If I am telling him something which he really cant understand. As in:

Originally Posted by Alex in previous posts

I'm becoming sick at the circling pattern that we're following here

Originally Posted by Alex in previous posts

And besides, you haven't met my challenges already, which would've closed this debate, but instead and unfortunately, circling around with the same justifications, ignoring the logic!

Also , Its worth noting here that our original debate was supposed to about the "evil nature" the first few verses of Surah Tawbah , as you can see this in Alex own words :

Originally Posted by Alex in first post

Hello.

Thanks for the agreement.

Ok, we will start by debating on Surrah 9:5.

Can you explain Surrah 9 (Al-Taubah), verse number 5:
"Then when the sacred months have passed, then SLAY the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform Salat, and give Zakat, then leave their way free" (basiclly if they become Muslims).

With all the context and the verse, this verse proves a very violent and cruel nature on how to treat Mushrikun (Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, even Trinitarians!).

Can you please clarify this verse for me?
Thanks.

However having clarified my self more then 14 times , Alex doesnt seem to understand this and the latest question which he pose in his last post is :

Originally Posted by Alex

Let's summarize what we're talking, as I will not be following the messy pattern that we're going through.
The points that we're trying to clarify are these, as per the latest talks:
·Whether unjustified forced conversion was there or not
·Whether the pagans broke the treaty or not
·The challenge

So you can see the difference between Alex original question which was the original nature of the verse which was explained and made clear to Alex and he agreed that pagans were always evil and the verse was specifically meant for certain pagans and not all pagans. But now he makes another question which is as you can see above.. and then he says that he doesnt understand me! He had been jumping like frogs in his posts and asking various stuff in just one round apparently thinking that the readers are fool and wouldnt notice him.


Anyway's now coming back to our topic , as I unlike Alex dont like roaming here and there .

Muslim allies were attacked by Quraish allies after the treaty of Hudaibiyah . Members from the Quraish were involved in attacking the Muslim allies , in violation of the treaty. The Banu Baker , Quraish Allies , wanted to take revenge from Banu Khuzaa to avenge the killing of some members of their tribes 20 years back!!!

What makes Banu baker take revenge 20 years afters the death of their members??? Ofcourse they only wanted to attack the Muslim allies . And If Banu Baker wanted to take revenge then they should have denied the alliance with the Quraish as that would mean to have peace with Banu Khuza as they were now Muslim allies and according to the treaty they were under the Muslim protection as they entered into agreement with the Muslims , they were Muslim allies !

Secondly, notice what Tabari said:

They tried to drive each other away and fought. Quraysh aided the Banu Bakr with weapons, and some members of Quraysh fought on their side under cover of darkness until they drove Khuza'ah into the sacred territory.

According to al-Waqidi: Among the members of Quraysh who helped the Banu Bakr against Khuza'ah that night, concealing their identity, were Safwan b. Umayyah, "Ikrimah b. Abi Jahl, Suhayl b. "Amr, and others, along with their slaves.

When Quraysh leaguered together [with Banu Bakr] against Khuza'ah and killed some of their men, breaking the treaty and covenant that existed between them and the Messenger of God by violating the Khuza'ah, who had a pact and treaty with him.


So this even goes to show that the Quraysh did help Banu Bakr in attacking the Banu Khuza'ah and this went against the truce they made with the Muslims.

So the Quraysh did break the treaty by helping in the attack on the allies of the Muslims. Quraysh just wouldnt let Muslim have any allies and felt furious when Banu Khuza allied with Muslims.

THERE IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF TREATY

But , Mr.Alex wouldnt understand :) Because I am saying something which he doesnt want to hear and he will come back to me saying " Oh you are just circling around and this and that" ..

It is clear that Alex lost this debate much before as he changed his subject and interestingly he wanted me to talk to an inch of the stick :) He wanted me to prove the conclusion of of the book from chapter 14 when the book consist of 97 chapters!

Now Mr.Alex wants to run away saying that I have violated the terms of the debate while he clearly lost it much before I am writing this conclusion. He just needs a reason to go away now because now its turn to question him , and he already knows that the conclusion would not be much different than what it is now , to make it clear , ALEX LOSES THE ROUND 1.

All Praise be to Allah , The Lord of the Worlds , Many peace and blessings be upon the Last and Final Messenger of Allah , His Family and Companions.

All Help and Victory is from Allah!

*********************** END OF ROUND 1 WITH VICTORY*************************************

[Jew 4 Jesus]

Matthew 22:18: ""Hypocrites, why do you seek to trap me?" Lord Jesus Christ, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, True God and True Man.

[Acid]

Thanks for this message. Alex quoted a verse from the Bible as he accepted that he wanted to trap me by changing his topics and he reminded me of this verse from the Bible:

Matthew 22:18: ""Hypocrites, why do you seek to trap me?" Jesus Christ ( may Allah exalt him ) , The Noble Messenger of Allah

Just like Alex switched the topic swiftly ,similarly Jews wanted to trap Jesus too.