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[Abdul-Fattah]

Selam aleykum

Originally Posted by al-boriqee

2. bio ethanol may be cleanrer or not, but there are two major problems with it
a. it takes over a gallon of fuel in order for us to utilize one gallon of ethanol. In other words we are using more energy than we are getting out of it over this product

Interesting, do you have a source for that? I find that somewhat hard to believe, if you can forgive my scepticism. And regardless, whether or not that is accurate, one should still look at things on a bigger scale. Like when solar panels first came out, they were extremely expensive and had a very low energy pay off. But after years of investments, some forms of solar energy are starting to look very promising, with low costs and high energy production. These things take time.
But more importantly to the topic at hand, I don't see the relevance of this point. If what you say is true, then indeed it might be a bad idea to use it, and we should surely discourage it, but does that justify making a fatwa against it and calling it haraam?

b. just as you said, the use of bio-ethanol comes from corn. When the government legislated the mandatory use of ehtanol, the world market for flour, rice, and chicken, among other things sky rocketed.

True, I even mentioned this issue myself in my post, but still seems dodgy to call something haram based on that.

secondly, this move was based on a mirage, the scam of global warming

First of all, what something is based on shouldn't matter. We should judge bio-ethanol at face value, and not based on whatever the motives might have been of whoever started it.
Secondly, While global warming might have been an inaccurate representation of the problems in our world, there are nonetheless definitely undeniable climate problems in the world. And they are definitely linked to our energy-consummation-culture.
Thirldy, regardless of climate and enviroment, we should keep an open mind to all renewable energy sources, since the non-renewable will obviously run out sooner or later (probably sooner then most people think). You can re-grown cornfields, but you can't regrown oil-fields (not yet anyway).

[salamfromrom]

secondly, this move was based on a mirage, the scam of global warming

Here's a guy who put it better than I ever could:

''Only in the Anglo-western sphere is Global warming a left vs right issue. For the rest of the world it is rich vs poor. Developed Nations vs. Emerging Economies. IP/Technology rights holders vs Product Producers that they run deficits with.
The capacity for developed economies with their 1-3% economic growth rates to increase carbon output is far less than a country that does not have a fully formed industrial base, which is groing at 9-12%. Indonesia alone has 250 million people (to the US's 300 million), what happens if in 50-60 years they develop on par to the US? Not to mention the billions of India and China. The US economy, and even that of Europe would be dwarfed. Meanwhile these economies are running trade deficits to the developing and emerging economies, because they buy more cheap products that those economies buy services and technology from the Western Nations. What is the power elite in the developed nations to do?
Climate treaties do two things, 1) they stifle the development of the emerging economies more than western economies, maintaining the Wests dominance, 2) require emerging/developing nations to buy IP and other technology from the west, offsetting the trade imbalance that the west has with the emerging economies. Basically it creates demand for all the "knowledge" the "knowledge economies" have.
This isn't about whether global warming is real or whether something needs to be done about it. That is beside the point anymore. The reigns of the green hippie movement has long since been taken by others, who are using for their own ends.
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